Maulana Sheikh Nazim Our Realities in Different Dominions

(Mawlana Shaykh speaks with a guest.)

If there is no difference, the Creator would only create one type (of person). What are we saying, that men and women are equal? No, no! However, people are drunk. Someone brings a theory, whether it is suitable or not, and people say, “Yes.” Can an eagle be like a flamingo? Both of them fly, for example, but are they the same? No, they are different, but now people are like drunk ones, not understanding and knowledge is such an ocean that you cannot reach the bottom and you cannot reach the shore. This is only one spot to (help us) understand, not more.

They are trying to make so many instruments to understand space and it is also nonsense because we are more perfect than this huge machine. We can understand more than this and if we are not in it, that huge instrument can never catch anything. They may catch something but will not understand. Space satellites do not understand anything, rather the one who is in it understands. There is a secret and there is secret in a secret. We are not reaching even one millimeter’s distance to a secret, how can we reach the secrets of secrets? Everything now in all of Creation is a secret. May Allah forgive us. Welcome to you.


Guest: What makes people drunk?

Mawlana Shaykh Nazim: Everything, because you can’t be able to enter in it, and that makes Man to be drunk and you can’t know anything. For example, you can’t understand the secret of an atom until you become an atom. You are a man, and a man may understand your secret, but women can’t understand, also you can’t understand women. It is for them, and this is for us. There are so many things, so many secret knowledges that we can’t carry. This is very, very, very simple explanation given as a figure, not reality. (Mawlana Shaykh shows a picture of himself) Who is this?

Guest: Our master.

It is not a master, it is only a figure. There is a real being for this picture that you are going to be, I am going to be, and he is going to be. We are only looking at figures. Yes sir.

وَفَوْقَ كُلِّ ذِي عِلْمٍ عَلِيمٌ
Wa fawqa kulli dhi `ilmin `aleem! And over every knower is a (higher) knower. (Yusuf, 12:76)

Therefore, the Lord is saying, “Every learned person has a level that belongs to him,” but he has another level, and it is impossible for you to reach his level; his level is independent, another one’s level is independent to him. This is not our personality, this is only a figure. Our real personality is in Unknown Oceans. Our real identity is going to be changed in heavenly dominions and you can’t add or count dominions, they are never-ending. Your personality is appearing in every dominion, and the Lord of Heavens is in another. This is our identity on this planet, but if we are reaching to another one, it is not the same personality that we are using here or that we have been dressed with here. That dressing is another kind, just as the dressing of those who are getting in that rocket is different from our dressing. Therefore, in every level or unexpected levels of dominions we have another appearance. We are going to appear in every dominion in another identity.

I am sleepy. (Laughter) Yes sir.


Thank you.

Guest: In another identity, he could be a woman.

Mawlana Shaykh Nazim: Here his identity is to be Fir`aun, but in another dominion he is going to be a prince, in another dominion he is going to be a king, and in another dominion he is going to be emperor.

Guest: This is just a training camp.

Mawlana Shaykh Nazim: Now we are only trying to learn what is a red melon and what is ( audible) (Laughter) Enough. Please eat.

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Lefek, 22.06.2011

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